Yue Fan: The Pattern Clock

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In High School, Yue Fan came up with the idea of the pattern clock to cure his own chronic oversleeping problem. He discovered that he was waking up and turning off his alarm clock...

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The idea of the pattern clock is that you have to be awake enough to repeat back a pattern it displays to you, thereby ensuring (hopefully) that you will not fall back asleep.

Fast forward four years, and Yue is a junior at University of Michigan's College of Engineering. He has developed fully working prototypes and has 1000 pre-orders with a potential price of $40. In order to contract the clock out for manufacture at $13/unit, he will need 5000 orders. Finally, he is considering the tradeoffs between selling direct and using retail channels.

Much of this development occurred with the aid of University of Michigan's More Program, a program we hope to cover more in depth in the future.

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Jennifer Ahlers on November 12, 2008 4:52 PM
Hi Yue! First of all congratulations on the success of your product so far. I am currently a senior at Eastern Michigan University right down the road, and have been wokring on a business plan for one of my classes. My business plan includes starting my own all natural and organic bakery. Since working on the project it has really opened my eyes to all the things you have to think about when deciding to open a business, or like in your case designing a product. I think it is awesome that you have gone so far with this product, especially since you are at the engineering school and this project involves a lot of business know how. How much research did you have to do regarding this project? Also did you have a business plan, or did you just start without one. Congratulations again. Jennifer Ahlers
Sienna Parfitt on November 12, 2008 9:59 PM
This is a very interesting idea. However, I am curious to know what sort of sleep research has been investigated for the development of the Pattern Clock. Has it been proven that cognition based tasks cannot be carried out without the person being fully aware of such tasks? Has research revealed the level of complexity the patterns must be in order for the user to reap the benefits? Will the user remember the patterns after a certain amount of repetition and/or time and therefor not need to be fully awake to repeat the patters? How many different patterns will be used? On the business side of things, how were you able to secure 1000 pre-orders and who are the people and/or places placing these orders? How was the device marketed to its target audience being in such early development? In order to have a competitive edge, will the Pattern Clock offer any traditional features such as radio, CD player, etc. in addition to the pattern feature? You mentioned looking for funding, where do you hope to receive it from? Because the clock was created during your time at the University of Michigan will the university have any claim on profits? Has you taken any steps toward legal protection of your design and concept?
Shawn Nester on November 13, 2008 11:18 AM
Nice product Yue, If one of these pattern clocks was around when I was in high school I probably wouldn't have spent so much time getting yelled at by my folks, unfortunatley that wasn't the case. I'm looking forward to seeing what heppens with your product in the future and I hope it's a huge sucess. Hopefully you can cut down your costs on the manufacturing end of things, $13 per unit does seem pretty cheap to produce though. I've been wondering where you may be considering having these on sale at? I know the discovery channel store in the mall would be one place where I'd expect to see it they always seem to have new and innovative products at their stores. I was also curious if you would consider dropping the price to under $40 if you could find someone to manufacture the prodcuts for less than $13 per unit. Well im definetly exited for you and I hope your product goes far. Congrats, and good luck in the future.
I wish that at Yue's age I had such a business plan together! I am having difficulty working out one that isn't even for a product that I developed, it is just for a grade in a class! He has all aspects covered. The name is great, it speaks for what the product is. The design itself is marketable to the high school and college-aged students that I would guess are the target market. I never had a chronic oversleeping problem, but I need a clock that would tell me how many times I had already hit snooze each morning. Yue is right, US contract manufacturers, especially here in Ann Arbor and Metro Detroit are very pricey, because they do runs for automotive markets and they are special niche run set-ups. The direct sales will get the highest margin of return, but will require the most work on his part. To partner with a product placement company to run television of radio advertising would be great in the beginning, and then he could hit the retail stores like Bed, Bath, and Beyond with that red "As Seen on TV" logo! Yue, will you offer color choices? Lisa Lewis
Yue, I think you're pattern alarm clock is a great idea! I too sometimes have a problem of turning off my alarm clock when it first goes off, and then later waking up and wondering why my alarm did not go off. It sounds like you have the beginning steps laid out for the routes you could take to advertise and get you're product manufactured. Television would be a great route to take, as there are always ad's for new unique products being advertised. You're right that it is going to cost you more to manufacture it here in the States, but for our economy right now, it may be the right to thing to do. It's great that you have secured 1000 pre-orders for this product, are any of the orders from U of M students? I feel students of any age could really benefit from your pattern clock, and students themselves would be a great way to get the word out about your product. I heard that you're wondering where to get the funding from, and this seems to be the most challenging part of ones business plan. If you don't have the capital you're self, you have to go out and find out. I would suggest family members, as they would be the best resource to begin with, them perhaps approach a bank. Congratulations on your product! -Amy Suich
Karen Kuula on November 16, 2008 5:54 PM
This is a great idea! I have a problem myself with turning off my alarm and not remembering doing so. It is frustrating. Sometimes I will actually get up and lay back down for "a couple minutes," and I will fall back asleep for hours. Maybe you could create another alarm clock or even a setting added to this current one that will automatically do a check back say ten minutes after you have turned the alarm off. This will be extra assurance that the consumer will be up on time, thanks to your product. Compared to other alarms, a retail price of forty dollars is a lot. Unless this product was so highly developed that it came with a money back guarantee, I would not buy it. Forty dollars is an expensive price to pay for a new alarm clock if it is not guaranteed. If it works properly every time then it is worth the price, but I am unsure how many people would be willing to take that risk. Would The University of Michigan allow you to sell this product in their campus stores? I believe that would be a great place to get the product out there. It gives the university a great reputation that this was created by their student and also that they support you selling your product. They could also profit from this. Students will probably find this product useful. This age group is usually great at creating a buzz about products whether it’s word of mouth to a classmate, or a blog available to the entire cyber world. When a product is liked and it is broadcasted to others, it helps the sales of the product. I have a feeling that this alarm clock will become big as long as there is strong marketing to help it grow. Good luck!
Zachary Donofrio on November 16, 2008 6:46 PM
When I first seen this interview, I thought to myself what a great idea. I am surprised that no one else has thought of a new way to get people up in the morning. I find myself hitting the snooze so many times that when I actually do wake up it is much later and I find myself running late. This pattern clock can help many people with this problem, by challenging them to complete a simple task, but this simple task is just enough to get someone up and start their day. This is a great example of how your degree can cross into other areas that you may have never thought of. Many people see their degrees only applying to that industry but Yue Fan has been successful in creating a device that does require some engineering but to get the most out of his product, you need some business skills which he does have. This is such a simple design but it does what it is meant to do by waking you up to an alarm and keeping you up because of the need to answer this memory question. I believe people think to hard when it comes to inventions and over analyze creating the perception that it needs to be an elaborate design to be successful and profitable, but that is not the case here. Through this interview I learned how hard it can be to get your idea from paper into an actual product and how expensive this process is. I can see that Yue has great motivation to get the most out of his idea and will be successful with it I hope to see this on the shelves in stores some time soon. I am just interested how you received the capital you needed to get this product running and start the development and what you have learned in the process? Zac Donofrio
Denise Dublin-Green on November 16, 2008 10:43 PM
Yue, I find your product quite interesting. I think you have a good idea. The design is very vibrant and eye catching. I too am wondering if this device contains features other than the function of an alarm clock. Having other features may make it more appealing to young people who may be a prime target for this product. You mentioned that you are looking for funding for the product in order to get it mass producing. Does the program that you are affiliated with at the university have links to any funding or grants for entrepreneurs? There are organizations in the community that may be able to help you get financing for getting the pattern clock off the ground. One of those organizations is the Center for Empowerment and Economic Development here in Ann Arbor. They help entrepreneurs who have been turned down by other financial institutions. They also specialize in helping women and minority business owners. You may also consider getting your product on the shelf by going to some of the retailers yourself to see what the qualifications are for becoming a vendor with them. I thought of Meijers and Walmart. They both have vendor programs that may seem at first a bit overwhelming but your product will become more accessible to students and parents who buy for them. Meijers vendor page has a tutorial in how to sign up it also has information on becoming a vendor under the join page. Walmart has a local vendor program that allows “unique” products to be debuted in your local area. This would be a great opportunity. Also would help in the way of getting funding for manufacturing if your orders can be back by monetary guarantee. Of course there are stipulations, insurances, credit history, these are issues that would come up with any venture to get into the retail business. I look forward to seeing the Pattern Clock on store shelves soon. Meijer vendor page. Walmart Local Suppliers website I tried to submit with websites I had found for reference but it wouldn't go so here's another try. Thanks for the interview. Denise Dublin-Green
Alan E. Bradford on November 17, 2008 3:33 PM
Yue Fan is a genius for inventing the pattern clock. Just think that the pattern clock could be in a state of lazy and obese high population. Once I heard what the pattern clock was I saw a wide world of marketing opportunities, such as market placement in a Jim Carry film. Even a Saturday Night live skits were some one is dumb and can’t figure out the pattern to turn it off. I would love to have a pattern clock, because I am not a morning person and I also have the problem of waking up, turning off the alarm clock and returning back to bed. This clock is one of the best inventions since the alarm clock. It has two major benefits of waking someone and exercising their mind before they leave out the door. I just wonder does the patterns change each day or stays the same. I think which ever way Fan goes that he will make back any investment that receives and more. I think that Fan should use retail sellers such as target and wall mart, especially around the Christmas season. The price is a little low personally because I think he could get more then $40 dollars. I also think that he can easily get 5,000 pre orders just off his location at the University of Michigan, plus he also has Eastern Michigan University right down the street. So with a great idea such as the pattern clock I do not think that Fan will have any major problems from here on.
Yvonne Mroz on November 17, 2008 7:15 PM
Hello Yue! Congrats on the success of your product so far. I am currently a senior at Eastern Michigan University, and have been working on a business plan for one of my classes. With being an engineering student at the University of Michigan, I am curious to know what sort of sleep research has been investigated for the development of the Pattern Clock. Has it been proven that cognition based tasks cannot be carried out without the person being fully aware of such tasks? Also, with cell phones in high demand and all the functions that they do will the Pattern Clock have a competitive edge, will the Pattern Clock offer any traditional features such as radio, CD player, etc. in addition to the pattern feature? As for funding where do you hope to receive it from? Did you have a group of student’s help you come up with the making of the product or did you solely engineer the product yourself. Since the clock was created during your term at the University of Michigan will the university have any claim on profits? Have you looked into engineering firms in the area that specialize in helping to mass produce your product? I know small firms out in Troy have this type of frame work. Where the engineer comes up with an idea and produces one product that works and the firm will help you get patents along with funding and the mass production of your item out into the stores. Or does the University have a manufacturing department that will also aide in the help of producing your product? Have you tried the route of QVC? They sell a lot of the new type gadgets from the little research that I’ve done they have very good end results in a short amount of time. Thanks Yvonne Mroz
Autumn Darr on November 17, 2008 7:41 PM
Hello Yue, I think the patter clock is a wonderful idea for a product. I think you have found your niche here because I do not know of any alarm clock that helps you wake up, and makes sure you are awake. I remember a friend from high school that had a hard time waking up in the morning. She would wake up to turn off her alarm clock, but then she would fall back asleep. She would wake up and have no recollection of turning off her alarm clock, this resulted in her missing class. This type of alarm clock would have helped her wake up, and she wouldn’t have missed so many classes. I could really see a lot of people getting a lot of use out of this type of clock. You stated in the video that projected price will be $40, and I do not think that is bad price when compared to the market, as long as the clock actually lasts. The last alarm clock I bought was $10, and it didn’t even last two months. I would much rather spend the extra money and get a clock that will actually last. I was curious to know if you had thought about what color(s) the alarm clock will be made available in? Its seems to me that you will have a wide range of target customers, so having it available in multiple colors might make it more appealing. I was also wondering if you had thought about where your product would be sold at? Would you try to sell it at stores like Wal-Mart or Target, or someplace more local like the University of Michigan bookstores? I think advertising it around campus could help boost sales, since its inventor is an U of M student. I wish you the best of luck Yue on your entrepreneurship endeavors. Autumn Darr
Nyangel Oneal on November 17, 2008 9:06 PM
I think that the Pattern Clock is a great idea. I have had problems over sleeping myself. If I was able to purchase the pattern clock right now I would. I think this would be a huge sale item. One question I would have for Yue Fan is with the memory test what type of question would be asked. I’m not a morning person so a clock with the ability to not let you fall back to sleep is great. I wonder if any tests have been done to show the increase of people not falling back to sleep. I think this would be a great product for students of all ages. I think that parents would be happy if they owned the pattern clock to get the kids up for school in the morning. I know for a fact that my mother would have loved this clock, 10 years ago when I was in high school. I think this product will become a big seller. He should market to different companies and colleges to become potential buyers. The colleges could offer the pattern clock in dorm rooms. Many companies can offer there employees the clock so that they can arrive to work on time. I think he would be able to sell over 5000 pattern clocks with no problem. I think his product would sell good at the local Wal-marts and Target stores. Another good place to sell the clock would be an online store to attract customer who shop online. Yue Fan stated that he would sale the clocks for $40. I think he should sale the clock for $60 and see how the clock sells. If he isn’t able to sell a large amount he should take the prices down. I think he has a great idea and I would love to learn more about the pattern clock.
Jenna Ellison on November 17, 2008 9:22 PM
Congratulations, Yue! As a first time enterpreneur student, I have learned first hand just how hard it is so even get your product noticed. I can tell you though, as a manager of a large retail store that it will only benefit you to try and get the product out on those shelves!I know that personally, when we have new products arrive, they are usually placed in prime areas of the store (ends of aisles, right by the check-out) and people are drawn to new items. I've noticed, that the key to sales is all in the marketing of the product. People are drawn to "fancy" aisles and end caps. Have you made it to the phase of planning yet? You talked about possibly working with a retail partner? I was curious to know how far you've gotten in that process? I work with product flow and inventory, and I would love to know what that process looks like from your end. How does your product make it to our stores? It must be a very challenging (and costly) process, but can pay off in the end! I think that a great part of your story is that you have a relationship with a very famous university that could possibly help you in the initial selling of your product. You may be suprised at what could happen if you are able to sell the clock in the bookstores or in local businesses. Sometimes, we do see new designers come out with products in our store and I have always wondered what their stories are! As far as the product, it sounds like a great idea. It's interesting as someone who unloads/sells the product, to hear first hand how the product is actually created! I know that I also suffer from the same syndrome where that alarm clock just isn't enough. You talked about the fact that we suffer from short-term memory loss? This is something new to me, but it makes complete sense. When I finally do wake up I am usually angry that I missed my alarm, and sometimes even say "well, the alarm didn't go off." How much research have you been able to conduct on our sleeping patterns? I was also interested to know if you've actually tested the product out with any individuals who have the same problem? Once again, congratulations with the initial steps of your idea, I wish you the best of luck with it! Jenna Ellison
Laurin Puente on November 18, 2008 12:01 AM
This interview was very interesting and intriguing. I think the pattern clock is such an innovative idea. I think it would be very useful for a lot of people, especially college students. I personally would purchase one of these pattern clocks, there have been so many mornings where I have had to set three alarms because I always hit the snooze button and fall back asleep at least two times in the morning. I can only imagine how popular this product will become when it is manufactured since I'm sure that many people suffer with the hitting the snooze button and falling back asleep problem. As an Eastern Michigan student I'm really impressed that a fellow student invented something like this clock. I think his biggest obstacle that he will have to overcome is being able to get his product well known and out on store shelves. I think that he has already made a lot of progress as far as getting his product on the shelves since he stated that stores have already said that they were willing to put his pattern clock on their shelves when they are manufactured. This is definitely something that I want to keep up to date with, although I wonder how close he is to being able to get his pattern clocks manufactured and on stores shelves. I really am interested in finding out more information about the whole process that he went through to create this pattern clock. Also, I'm interested in finding out more information about the pattern clock itself. I think that a great place for him to start would be a college, like Eastern Michigan. He should see if he can possibly sell his pattern clocks in college general stores, like the one that's in the Student Center at Eastern Michigan University. Either way, I'm really excited to learn and hear more about this product and hopefully to be able to purchase it soon! Congratulations on such an innovative invention!
Brock Tobias on November 18, 2008 12:23 AM
I absolutely love the idea of the pattern clock. I can totally see this particular idea being a great success. I for one would buy this clock to help my fiancée wake up, she never gets up when her alarm goes off and this would be a great clock for her because it would make her be coherent and not enable her to turn it off. Another reason that I think this is such a great invention is because it has such a huge target market. Anyone would benefit from an invention like this, whether they are a young student in the K-12 grades, college kids, or even working adults. No one likes to get up in the morning, but this clock could absolutely help them do that. The fact that Yue already has over 1,000 pre-orders speaks to the fact that there is a market for this item, especially since it isn’t being sold in stores. I hadn’t even heard of anything like this before, but I absolutely love it. I also love the fact that it is affordable at $40 per clock. I think the most important thing for Yue to do is to get word of his invention out there and figure out how he is going to market it. I could see this product being sold very well online, or even in stores. I think that he could most definitely sell the 5,000 initial clocks that are manufactured. I have been using the same clock for the last 20 years, no joke. But I would seriously consider being something like this because I think it really would make a difference in waking up. I think that Yue could actually benefit from talking to other Michigan Innovators that have to do with financing, because I think that once they take a look at this product they will realize how unique it really is and that it has great potential when it comes to selling it. The concept for this clock is really great, and I think that Yue is most definitely on his way to success with this particular invention.
Dariusz Seklecki on November 18, 2008 11:36 AM
I think the pattern clock is a great idea. It seems like such a simple concept and at the same time it's a very useful thing to have especially if you’re in college or have to get up early in the morning. I would definitely buy one of these. At $40 per clock, it's a good deal for a useful new product like this. He can definitely sell it for more if people know the benefits of this clock. I think that it would be a good idea to have product demonstrations and instructional videos to showcase his clock and also to inform people of the benefits to this clock. He can market this clock in retail stores and also sell it on his website. I think this is a perfect product to be marketed on TV. channels and commercials in the future. A great market is at colleges and universities too. Going to universities across the country and getting the word out about his clock can get him thousands of orders. I know that this would help me because I never hit the snooze button and I always over sleep past my time. A clock that forces me to wake up would be great. The fact that he already has over a 1000 preorders is a sign of this product's success in the future. One question that I have about the clock is, if there is any possibility to customize your alarm tone. I hate those type of alarm clocks that can’t be customized and don’t even allow you to go backwards when setting the clock. I would like to physically see this clock to also make sure that it has all the features that I need. Overall I think that this clock is great for any market and will be very successful.
Hello Yue! I think this idea is great. I know I'm constantly shutting my alarm clock off and closing my eyes "just for five more minutes." Before I know it, I have 10 minutes before class. I don't think I would want to pay $40 for an alarm clock though, especially right now as a student, $40 is a bit out of my budget. It sounds like you are definately on the right track; 1000 pre-orders is amazing! But I am just curious about funding. Is the University of Michigan going to help, since you are a student? Are you spending any money of your own?
eric frasier on November 18, 2008 2:45 PM
This is a great idea, it seems that Yue was born with the entrepreneurship spirit. It seems that he has a working model down and some pre-orders but is getting stuck trying to figure out how to market and sell his product. It is interesting to see him talk about and discuss the various costs and difficulties that he is going through trying to get his invention to market. It looks like he has considered several options including the infomercial, I would like to know what criteria he is using to weigh his different options and how he went about contacting the various outlets that he is considering. If I could ask him a question it would be how he found his manufacturer and how he is considering which to go with?
Jessica Cook on November 18, 2008 4:03 PM
I think this is an amazing invention and would be great for most college students. I know when I first started at Eastern Michigan University I made sure never to schedule myself any classes before 9am because I knew it would be difficult to wake myself up.I am curious to know if there would be a way to hook the clock up to a television or ipod? Sometimes I sleep with both my TV and ipod on and would just think that the noise from the alarm clock would be that of the TV or ipod and just ignore it. I myself couldnt afford to pay $40 for the clock but I'm sure someone in my family could buy it for me it would be great if he could get the clock on the home shopping network!
Julie Rutkowske on November 18, 2008 4:41 PM
This sounds like a great product and I can’t believe it took someone this long to think of it. It seems like you have to play some version of Simon says just to turn it off which would defiantly get people to actually wake up. I usually wake up pretty easy to alarms, but I have many friends who are always turning them off or hitting snooze ten times. If the product were to be picked up by a retail store, I think they would just fly off the shelves. Of course, marketing this product will be the most important aspect of the process. I am wondering who your target market is? I think the best market would be high school and college students. Most of them have had the experience of missing the alarm more than once. Another question I have is if the design we saw is the final design? The clock in the video was lime green. Hopefully, it will be offered in different colors and possibly shapes, too. I think the style now would fit for the target market I suggested. With the right marketing, I think you could get most people to pay $40 for a pattern alarm clock.
what a fantastic simple idea. Yue has great tenasity and really believed his product could help people. If Yue's clock were in every bedroom the human productivity level would increase, companies would same million if not billions of dollars in lost productivity. I want to know how Yue developed the look and feel of his Pattern Clock. 40 dollars is a great price point. I would be interested to see how it's sales would perform if the introduction of the product was released in an upscale retailer at higher margins and transitioning to a larger retail market.
Stephen Stortz III on November 18, 2008 6:01 PM
Way to think outside the box, I do like the concept that he came up with. It is very simple and it would definitely wake me up because I wouldn't be able to hit the snooze and roll back over to fall asleep. I am amazed he came up with this in high school, I like how by solving a problem for himself led to a discovery for helping others. It's really a great product and story all together. I would be interested in playing around with this topic and maybe see if this could spark anymore ideas involving waking up concepts.
Mike Kowalski on November 18, 2008 11:21 PM
This is an awesome idea. I have been looking to invest in something like this for the longest time because I am not a morning person to say the least. I am always late for work in the morning because apparently I shut off my alarm in the morning and have absolutely no idea I did. I would like to see these cheaper than $40 though, maybe $25-30? Once it is more detailed and complex after it has been introduced to the public i would have no problem paying extra for it, but for now i think $25-30 is very reasonable. I will stay current with this pattern clock because I would love to purchase one. Congrats on the great idea Yue!
Crystal Bray on November 19, 2008 12:00 AM
Yue, this is a great invention. You certainly have an innovative mind, to work this up when you were so young. Congratulations. I too have difficulties waking up in the morning and very frequently turn my alarm clock off without realizing it. The bad thing is, I think I might be able to beat your test. I seem to be almost out of bed and just lay back down after deciding it was time to get up and purposely turn off my alarm. I would love to try the Pattern Clock to see if it could break this terrible habit. Have you thought about setting up kiosks in area malls during the holidays to let people check out your product. This might help you get to 5000 units. - Crystal Bray
Allison Miska on November 19, 2008 7:15 PM
My name is Allison Miska and I am a twenty three year old student at Eastern Michigan University, and your Pattern Clock instantly caught my eye. Being a college student with seven classes at two jobs I often find myself hitting the snooze bottom and waking up in a panic realizing I was never actually awake enough to register what was going on. I admire the fact you took your idea and set it into motion to become reality. I understand you brought your invention concepts to UofM’s school of engineering, what legalities go along with developing a patent/product at UofM? I work at an engineering firm in Bloomfield Hills and we have many invention and confidentially agreements the employees needs to sign before we allow them to patent and invent an idea at our corporation. Have there been any other innovators at the UofM school of engineering that have inspired you at times when you were lost or unmotivated? I also wanted to mention I believe the price of the clock at $40 is very reasonable and for the money it would earn helping people punch in on time for work I think it is worth it. Maybe you could team up with an energy drink or coffee shop on campus at UofM or Eastern as a marketing strategy to promote your product. I think this invention is a great idea that I have not heard of before and would gladly purchase for myself and friends. I wish you the best of luck with the 5,000 orders and any other future endeavors.
Barbara Hobson on November 22, 2008 2:26 PM
Yue, what a great idea. I am one who will hit the snooze button about three times before I finally get out of bed in the morning. I would love to own a clock that I can not turn off. Although a little expensive, I think it is still a great investment. Good luck with financing, and finding a manufacture. I am looking forward to owning the pattern clock. I would like to know if the clock will be sold in different colors.
Dave Howard on November 24, 2008 4:16 PM
Yue Fan is what I think of when I think of your typical entrepreneur - he was a person who had a problem. Yue went on to solve his chronic oversleeping with his pattern clock. The next step to me is: "If I have this problem, does that mean that other people have this problem as well?" If the answer to that question is yes then you have a marketable product on your hands. A product such as this would be excellent for many people as they either do the same as Yue and turn off the alarm and fall back asleep with out knowing it or they fall into the category that I do and are what I like to call a snooze button warriors. At forty dollars this is kind of expensive for an alarm clock but when compared to the price of tuition these days it is only a minor setback. Keep up the good work Yue and good luck finding a good manufacturing deal. One question though: How difficult is this pattern going to be? I mean will this thing get thrown at a wall because I can't turn it off? -Dave Howard

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